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    New member looking for info on JP Sauer and Sohn "Tell .22" rifle

    Hello I am a new member looking for info on a rifle that was passed down to me from my father, who got it from his father. The rifle was obtained during WWII in Germany. I have not been able to find much at all online and hope someone here can help me to get more information, including what it is worth. From what I know, it's a JP Sauer and Sohn "Tell .22" stalking rifle. Made in Germany around 1912 (I was told).

    Thank you in advance for your time!
    -Jon
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    Welcome, that is a fine inheretance piece. It is nice when fine firearms can go from generation to generation.

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    Jon,
    Welcome, we are happy to have you with us. We should be able to tell you more, if you remove the barrel/forearm and post clear photos of the marking underneath the barrel and on the lug, if any. Also, I can't make out the word(seems partially covered by rear scope base) after 22, and it would be helpful if would post a better photo of it. Merry Christmas.
    Mike

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    Your rifle is a "Tell II". Though originally made for the .22 kurz = short cartridge, soon the .22 lang für Büchsen = long rifle was chambered instead, after that cartridge became known in Germany. Here is the ad for Sauer & Sohn's "Tell" tm break open rifles from the 1908 Akah wholesale catalog:

    Sauer & Sohn marked these light rifles with underlever, single bite design as their models "Tell I - V". The design was copied by several Zella - Mehlis makers in large numbers, so such rifles by other makers are called "Tell type".

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    Axel,
    Could you tell us how to know the difference between a Tell II and a Tell III, when the caliber can't be clearly seen? These in centerfire chambering often have clawmount rear base covering the designation.
    Mike

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    Thanks everyone for the info! Appreciate it! Can anyone tell me what it's worth?? Here are a few more pictures...

    Thanks again, and happy new year!!
    -JonIMG_6104.jpgIMG_6105.jpgIMG_6106.jpgIMG_6107.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike ford View Post
    Could you tell us how to know the difference between a Tell II and a Tell III, when the caliber can't be clearly seen?
    Look at the catalog descriptions above: "Tell II" was for "Randfeuer - Patrone" = rimfire cartridges, while "Tell III" was in "6mm Centralfeuer-Patrone Cal. 22 (Winchester) = centerfire cartridge .22 Winchester = 5.6x35R Vierling. So you have to look at the firing pin position. If it is set up for rimfires, it is a Tell II, if centerfire, a Tell III, IV or V. Tell I was a smoothbore shotgun in 12mm, usable with .410 shells. Of course, these "Tell I - V" model designations apply to Sauer & Sohn made rifles only.
    As "22 LAN(G)" is still legible, this rifle is in .22 long rifle.
    Last edited by Axel E; 12-31-2015 at 09:49 AM.

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    Axel,
    I couldn't make out the "Lan" until the additional photos were posted, see my request for them above.
    Mike

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    Mike,
    I did make them out in the first series of photos, second pic. So it must be a Tell II.
    Axel
    Last edited by Axel E; 12-31-2015 at 05:57 PM.

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    Hi,
    I'm busting in on a thread I'm afraid, but just too excited to stop myself. I have had a Tell in 32-20 for years and always assumed it was rechambered to that caliber, although I never could figure out what would have been the original caliber. Just didn't realize the Germans had picked up on this old Winchester caliber. Here it shows mine is original and a Tell IV. I'm just loving this forum! Axel thank you so much for posting that ad. Makes me feel a little dumb too, but that's an everyday occurrence so I'm used to it.
    Dave

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