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    Charles Daly Prussian ID

    Hello,

    I too need help to identify this 12 ga. Trap gun. The serial number is 26068. Any help is appreciated.

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    Johnnie

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    Johnnie,
    Others on this Forum are much more knowledgeable than I about these guns. However, as a general rule, to help you they will need photos, including of all the proof and other markings found under the barrel.
    Mike

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    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by mike ford View Post
    Johnnie,
    Others on this Forum are much more knowledgeable than I about these guns. However, as a general rule, to help you they will need photos, including of all the proof and other markings found under the barrel.
    Mike
    Hey Mike,

    Thanks for the heads-up. I will get some pictures today.

    Regards,

    Johnnie

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    Quote Originally Posted by JYS View Post
    Hey Mike,

    Thanks for the heads-up. I will get some pictures today.

    Regards,

    Johnnie
    As promised;
    action engraving serial number.jpgreceiver stampings.jpgstampings in front of barrel lug.jpgserial number barrel and fore grip.jpgstamping barrel breach.jpg

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    Last edited by JYS; 01-03-2016 at 06:01 PM. Reason: added picture

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    JYS,
    As I said in my earlier post, others here know more about these guns than I, but until they post something, here is a little info. The gun was proofed in Dec 1930( 1230) and has a 2 3/4" 12 ga chamber, whereas if it were made for German rather than US sale, it would have likely been 2 5/8"(shown by the 12-70, if short chambered it wouldn't have the 70). The crown S means it was proofed for shot. The crown U is the view proof, which is a detailed inspection. If one of the marks that I can't make out is a crown W, that means that barrel is choked. The amount of choke is not shown by the mark. It looks very nice to me, by the way.
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike ford View Post
    JYS,
    As I said in my earlier post, others here know more about these guns than I, but until they post something, here is a little info. The gun was proofed in Dec 1930( 1230) and has a 2 3/4" 12 ga chamber, whereas if it were made for German rather than US sale, it would have likely been 2 5/8"(shown by the 12-70, if short chambered it wouldn't have the 70). The crown S means it was proofed for shot. The crown U is the view proof, which is a detailed inspection. If one of the marks that I can't make out is a crown W, that means that barrel is choked. The amount of choke is not shown by the mark. It looks very nice to me, by the way.
    Mike
    Hey Mike,

    Thanks for the information. I had the gun restored by Kip Wood @ Central Michigan Gunsmithing. Over the years someone had changed the forearm to a beaver tail forearm. So Kip replaced it with a correct forearm, re-blued the barrel, refreshed the Case Hardening with bone charcoal and checked the action. His work speaks for itself.

    Johnnie

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    I'm very inclined to agree with Mike, that's "12/30". There would be no proofs were it 1880, at least not those proofs. It sure looks as if it could have been an "8" but I just don't think so. Another thing is that after 1945 I believe Prussia ceased to exist.

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    As the lettering "Nitro" and the other marks show, it was proofed in Suhl from 1912 to 1934, so December 1930 is it. The incomplete "heart" shape may be the mark of Emil Kerner & Sohn, Suhl, stamped upside down? But I can not identify it positively, it may be another Suhl gunmaker active in 1930.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    I'm very inclined to agree with Mike, that's "12/30". There would be no proofs were it 1880, at least not those proofs. It sure looks as if it could have been an "8" but I just don't think so. Another thing is that after 1945 I believe Prussia ceased to exist.
    I believe that Hitler did away with the Prussian Government around 1933.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axel E View Post
    As the lettering "Nitro" and the other marks show, it was proofed in Suhl from 1912 to 1934, so December 1930 is it. The incomplete "heart" shape may be the mark of Emil Kerner & Sohn, Suhl, stamped upside down? But I can not identify it positively, it may be another Suhl gunmaker active in 1930.
    My thanks to everyone for your help. I really appreciate you all.

    Regards,

    Johnnie

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