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    Johnnie,
    Absent factory records of the manufacturer( not ID here), serial numbers are not a reliable way to determine date of manufacture. A manufacture date of Dec 1930, would be consistent with the proof marks, but Dec 1980 would not.
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by JYS View Post
    Hey Mike,

    I will see if I can get better pictures. I can see the crown W that you spoke of. A friend of mine says that the 12/30 is 12/80 with the inside of the eight and zero were not flush to the barrel. Is there a way to know the year by the serial number? Let me know what you think.

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    Johnnie
    Hello All, This is an enhanced picture of the barrel stampings.barrel stampings 2.jpg
    Last edited by JYS; 01-05-2016 at 08:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike ford View Post
    Johnnie,
    Absent factory records of the manufacturer( not ID here), serial numbers are not a reliable way to determine date of manufacture. A manufacture date of Dec 1930, would be consistent with the proof marks, but Dec 1980 would not.
    Mike
    Hey Mike,
    Sam says that he was thinking 1880 not 1980. I read a post mentioning Griffin & Howe. Do they offer an ID service? Let me know.

    Regards,

    Johnnie

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike ford View Post
    Johnnie,
    Absent factory records of the manufacturer( not ID here), serial numbers are not a reliable way to determine date of manufacture. A manufacture date of Dec 1930, would be consistent with the proof marks, but Dec 1980 would not.
    Mike
    Hey Mike,
    Sam says that he was thinking 1880 not 1980. I read a post mentioning Griffin & Howe. Do they offer an ID service? Let me know.

    Regards,

    Johnnie

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    I'm very inclined to agree with Mike, that's "12/30". There would be no proofs were it 1880, at least not those proofs. It sure looks as if it could have been an "8" but I just don't think so. Another thing is that after 1945 I believe Prussia ceased to exist.

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    As the lettering "Nitro" and the other marks show, it was proofed in Suhl from 1912 to 1934, so December 1930 is it. The incomplete "heart" shape may be the mark of Emil Kerner & Sohn, Suhl, stamped upside down? But I can not identify it positively, it may be another Suhl gunmaker active in 1930.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    I'm very inclined to agree with Mike, that's "12/30". There would be no proofs were it 1880, at least not those proofs. It sure looks as if it could have been an "8" but I just don't think so. Another thing is that after 1945 I believe Prussia ceased to exist.
    I believe that Hitler did away with the Prussian Government around 1933.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axel E View Post
    As the lettering "Nitro" and the other marks show, it was proofed in Suhl from 1912 to 1934, so December 1930 is it. The incomplete "heart" shape may be the mark of Emil Kerner & Sohn, Suhl, stamped upside down? But I can not identify it positively, it may be another Suhl gunmaker active in 1930.
    My thanks to everyone for your help. I really appreciate you all.

    Regards,

    Johnnie

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    I'm very inclined to agree with Mike, that's "12/30". There would be no proofs were it 1880, at least not those proofs. It sure looks as if it could have been an "8" but I just don't think so. Another thing is that after 1945 I believe Prussia ceased to exist.
    I believe that Hitler did away with the Prussian Government around 1933.

    With more research I find that you are correct as Prussia ceased to exist "de facto" in 1945.

    From Wikipedia The Kingdom of Prussia was thus abolished in favor of a republic—the Free State of Prussia, a state of Germany from 1918 until 1933. From 1933, Prussia lost its independence as a result of the Prussian coup, when the Nazi regime was successfully establishing its "Gleichschaltung" laws in pursuit of a unitary state. With the end of the Nazi regime, the division of Germany into allied-occupation zones and the separation of its territories east of the Oder–Neisse line, which were incorporated into Poland and the Soviet Union, the State of Prussia ceased to exist de facto in 1945.[2][3] Prussia existed de jure until its formal liquidation by the Allied Control Council Enactment No. 46 of 25 February 1947. FWIW

    Quote Originally Posted by Axel E View Post
    As the lettering "Nitro" and the other marks show, it was proofed in Suhl from 1912 to 1934, so December 1930 is it. The incomplete "heart" shape may be the mark of Emil Kerner & Sohn, Suhl, stamped upside down? But I can not identify it positively, it may be another Suhl gunmaker active in 1930.
    My thanks to everyone for your help. I really appreciate you all. A special thanks to Mike for staying with me on identifying this shotgun.

    Regards,

    Johnnie
    Last edited by JYS; 01-13-2016 at 08:54 PM.

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    Correct in that the proof date is December of 1930. Heartesk stamp is that of Wilhelm Kelber and more than likely sourced from Gebrüder Adamy.

    Cheers,

    Raimey
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