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Thread: Carl Stiegele 8.15x46R falling block

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    I have this rifle by an unknown maker. I am sorry to say some fool rebarreled it as a varmit rifle, 6mm-30 40 Krag. I have the original but the chamber is ruined. The original barrel has these markings, on the side is 8.15x46 normal 2367. Under the forend, SS, LH, Bl.G 11gr, 7.7mm, 46, 1.36, 278, 2367 & the crown over B, G, & U. I have The Standard Directory of Proofmarks by Gerhard Wirnsberger, is there a moe detailed text in English for German & Austrian proof marks.
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    Mikei, your rifle was made up by the Zella - Mehlis guntrade for retail by a country gunmaker, who missed or spared to have his address marked on the barrel. Such German "noname" guns are quite common. Americans erroneously often call them "guild guns". The low 2367 serial number points to a smaller gunmaker who assembled the rifle on a Stoetzer action. Bl.G 11gramm = lead bullet 170 gr, 7.7 mm land diameter, 46 mm case length, 1.36 = January 1936, 278 proofhouse ledger number, BUG are the then prescribed proofmarks. SS and LH are no proofmarks, but unregistered marks of individual craftsmen who worked on the gun. As these marks were never registered it is now guesswork more or less to "identify " the craftsmen. My guess: SS may stand for the barrelmakers Seyffarth, Hermannstr.5, Zella – Mehlis. LH may be Louis Hengelhaupt, gunmaker at Am Hochwald 4, Zella-Mehlis. The pre-1940 whole salers and retailers were not interested to let their customers know, who really made "their own" guns. It was sufficient if the "maker" could identify the craftsman in case of a blunder. So most of these marks were a well kept trade secret of the guntrade.

    No, I don't know about a single text more detailed than Wirnsberger's, neither in English nor in German. Another one is Gargela & Faktor "Zeichen auf Handfeuerwaffen", German translated from Czech. Both are incomplete and sometimes in error. Both don't even mention the 1893 – 1920 "Special 4000 atm" proof with the CROWN-crown/N marks or the use of lefger numbers by the Zella-Mehlis proofhouse nor the Oberndorf pre-WW1 "incomplete" proofmarks. You have to go back to contemporary German literature and decrees to find about much of the niceties.

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    Thanks Axel
    Mike

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