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    Chr. Friedr Triebel 5.6 Super

    Hi Everyone,

    I recently made a kind of impulsive purchase (and quite possibly a bad purchase). It is a beautiful rifle with highly figured wood full length stock with lovely engraving, checkering and horn accents, a removable scope heinstoldt wetzler diasta-d 6 x 42. It has a bullet trap in the stock also engraved. I believe it has been refinished as the 98 receiver has beautiful case colors. The name on it is Chr Friedr Triebel Suhl, Poldi Anticorro AKL Rostisicher (steel).
    Thank goodness it came with 120 rounds loaded with Hornady 70 Grain SP's. I wanted to use this as a whitetail stalking rifle but I see getting ammo
    is near impossible even proper bullets for deer seems difficult. If I can figure out how to post pictures I will. I was definitely seduced by a truly beautiful rifle in superb condition.
    I researched the maker and see they exist today but it says Christian Friedrick 1750 to ? Another Triebel moved to Berlin in 1935 but the 5.6 super I believe came out in 1937 so heck I have a bit of a mystery. If anyone knows a source for proper whitetail bullets please let me know.
    Thanks in advance.
    Jeff

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    Triebel is another frequent name in the German guntrade. Kellner & Pape list no less than 47 Triebels working one time or another in the trade. Some were gunmakers, some gunsmithes, others country gunshops. There were Triebels in Suhl, Zella-Mehlis, Augsburg, Neumuenster, Kaufbeuren and Berlin. Though there are family relations, more or less close, the businesses were independent of each other.This rifle was apparently made by the Christoph Friedrich Triebel company, Grosse Backstr. 14, Suhl, founded by C.F.T., by 1922 run by a Richard Friedrich Triebel, existed until 1945. Another better known Triebel was Albert Wilhelm Triebel, Schillingstr.8, Suhl. He specialized in making scope mounts, see "Waidmannsheil! # 55". As a side job, he was the "gun photographer to the Suhl guntrade" during the 1920s – 30s.
    Today there are two Triebel companies c.i.b., afaik. One was founded by Rudi Triebel, Kaufbeuren, in 1948. In the 1960s Rudi designed a pivot scope mount, predecessor of today's EAW and Recknagel mounts. Later he specialized in making tools, reamers and gages for the trade. The company is now run by Juergen Triebel, see:
    http://www.triebel-guntools.de/en/
    Then there is the Berlin gunshop, founded in 1915 by Paul Thom. Thom's son in law Walter Triebel from Suhl took over in 1935, followed by Klaus Triebel in 1969. Today the shop is run by Katja and Kristian Triebel, see:
    http://triebel-shop.com/index.php?language=en
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    Axel
    Thank you very much for your informative response. My rifle does have a removable scope mount with makers name on it.
    looks like it can be dated 1945 or before. I look forward to learning more.
    Grateful,
    Jeff

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    Devo1959,

    I also have a Chr. Triebel in 5.6x61 and have been working with this caliber for thirty years. You can make cases out of 25-06 and the difficulty is getting bullets in the proper diameter. I suspect that the bullet loaded in your ammo is a Hornady 70 grain SP in .227" diameter and it is too fragile for deer at vH velocities. Heavier "H" mantel bullets like the Nosler can be bumped up to fit and work very well.

    There are a couple of threads on the forum that contain more information if you want to check them out. I don't think you made a bad buy but then I rather like the odd calibers and they can be very accurate. I would like to see pictures if you could post them. Try to take the gun out of the wood and show all the markings as it will help with additional information. Best of luck with it.

    Diz

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    Thanks Diz,
    I actually purchased the rifle at Quinby's not too far from you. My brother lives in Pipersville. If you want to send me your email address email me at jeff@wattsun.com and I will send you some pictures. I need to slug the barrel and chamber cast I guess but have never done either. I then need to get dies made and try to learn how to bump up some bullets.
    Thanks, Jeff

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    Devo, hard to believe someone lives this close with another vH! I tried the search function for the forum but it doesn't work so I went looking and here are a couple of my previous posts plus one from another vH owner in Texas. Mike also has a vH but it is the rimmed version. If you care to check here are the posts:

    "Another vom Hofe" at the bottom of page 5

    "5.6 vH Update by wernerhelm about the middle of page 7

    "Gehmann-Konstanz 5.6x61 vom Hofe" at the bottom of page 10
    Pretty much all I know and most others on this forum, about the vH is on this one.

    I did send you a mail to your address and hope we can get together. Thanks, Diz

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    Devo,
    You didn't say what "brand" your cases are or if they are original cases. If they are original factory cases, they may be Berdan primed. If so, you can still load them, but just cant use the deprimer in normal dies. You didn't say whether you have fired the rifle and checked velocity and group size. My experience with the 70 grain Hornady bullets indicates they are satisfactory( in my rifle) as long as the velocity is kept down to 3000 fps or less. BTW having 120 already formed cases is a blessing.
    Mike

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    Hi Mike
    They were loaded in 2003 by Superior Ammunition W. Gehmann Brass and 120 are loaded with the 70 Hornady. I am calling them now to see if they can help.
    Thanks, Jeff

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    Devo,
    That brass is very hard to find and very good to have, take care of it. Depending on when it was made and by which major ammunition company ( the brass could very well predate 2003), it may be boxer primed. If so you are lucky, but if not, all is not lost. If you look into a fired case(with flashlight) and see one hole, it is boxer primed; if two holes, Berdan primed. I suggest you shoot it for group before worrying about it, it may be fine.
    Mike

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    Hi Devo
    You may find this interesting. It is a Belgium website called Littlegun that has on show a Christian Friedrich Triebel Mauser 98 rifle in 5,6x61 Super Express vom Hofe. The information states the firm began in 1800 and was still trading in the early 1940's. CFT seems to have made a specialty of the vom Hofe line of cartridges.

    http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20all...drich%20gb.htm

    I'm hoping you are wrong about it perhaps being a bad buy. I have 2 like it, though by different makers. Since you have perhaps roped in by now the other vom Hofe owners to your post, I wonder if anyone reading this has a copy of Handloader, issue 24, "Loading the Exotics", March-April 1970 by B.R. Hughes, page 14 onward. This includes an IMR 4350 load for a 70 grain Sisk bullet in this calibre, but I do not have the grain weight to load, nor the text comments that go with this.

    Devo, you will find a useful backorder copy of Rifle to get from Wolfe Publishing, (perhaps on CD-Rom), is Issue 13, January 1971. In this (then editor?) Al Miller loads for and describes a Triebel rifle in that calibre. Not so long ago the same identical rifle, (i.e. Miller's one), was for offered for sale and was subject to another published article by the new owner.

    BTW, if you fire a round, and shine a "flashlight" down it, (is that what you guys call a torch!), you may only see one primer hole, but it could still be a Berdan case. It can often happen than burnt powder blocks the other hole. If it is off centre and perhaps smaller than expected, suspect this has happened.

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