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Thread: Trying to identify Prussian Daly

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    Has anyone ever seen the Sauer medal inlaid in the front lug of a Daly or Sauer&Sohns shotgun?

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    It now appears the gun is possibly a Sauer model 14, search still proceeding.
    Craig

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    Have now seen pictures of a Sauer model 18, with the inlaid medal of the "wildman" on the front lug. The crowns and wildman stamps along with other stamps match up very close on the two barrels.

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    Making some progress, in 1907 Sauer catalog the Model 14 and 17 ,18 appear to be made from the same original forging, but with different sculpting on the back. The cocking indicators match up. Have not found Daly catalogs yet.

    Craig

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    Yes, I have......except it was not inlaid, it was stamped. The 1912 Sauer catalog indicates the Model 14 is a double barrel shotgun in various gauges; the Model 15 is a Buchsflinte (shotgun/rifle side by side); the Model 16 has 2 sets of barrels (shotgun/rifle, shotgun/shotgun both are side by side barrel arrangements); the Model 17 is a double barrel shotgun made on the same action as all the previous models utilized, but it has ejectors; the Model 18 is the "Meisterwerk" or Masterpiece that was the best of the best, fully engraved, finest checkering, with excellent wood and also having ejectors. And by the way, the Sauer trademark was a Caveman (not a wildman) holding a club which was originally part of the great seal of Prussia. Regards, Jim Cate

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    Thanks for your input, I am still working to better identify the piece.
    Quote Originally Posted by pwm
    Quote Originally Posted by sauerfan
    Hi “feuerwerker”,

    Yes, correct, Sauer’s oldest trademark is the “Wilde Mann” or in English, the “Wild man with the club”. But that’s of course no big deal.

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    Martin
    but important enough, the caveman is a stupid idiot and the Wild man is a noble man in its own right.
    he support the shield on the escutcheon of kings and noble knights and was therefore worthy to become the symbol of the sauer factory.
    I picked up the wildman designation from this post.
    Best Craig

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    True it is our counterparts in Germany that label the image as a wildmann. It matters not to me whether Hercules/Neanderthal/whatever was a cave dweller or lived in the bush. Also, a 1912 date just is not supported by peripheral data and if one holds to sequential serialization along with supporting info, the probability that it was completed post 1905 is very, very small. It is not a rebanded Daly. There is little means of establishing a 1911/1912 date save a copy of the entry in the Sauer ledger. If you don't hold with sequential serialization, then just pick a model in a catalogue with a similar image and equate the date of the catalogue to the date of manufacture.

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    Well, it does not match any known Daly gun. It has more features and engraving than a model 40. It has more features and engraving than a model 14. The barrels have the inset Sauer Medal, and a different texture pattern on the rib. Probably built 1903 time frame based on ser #. I was able to finally measure the chambers, and the are 2 1/2 inch. The finishes on the gun are close to 100%, it does not appear to have been fired much. A very interesting Charles Daly!
    Best,
    Craig
    Last edited by Craig Havener; 10-26-2012 at 04:39 PM.

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    Received my copy of Jim Cates book, excellent work and reference, Highly recommended! Wish I could find the same type of work on Daly's! Anyone with any leads?

    Best,
    Craig

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    First, Daly did not utilize Sauer's Model numbers. Secondly, I believe it is a Model 40 due to the presence of the cocking indicators which were not standard on the Model 3 or Model 30. It only has arabesque engraving on the bottom of the receiver rather than the standard 2 dog engravings. So maybe it is a custom Model 30 with cocking indicators. I learned to never say never when it comes to Daly shotguns simply because they special ordered a lot of guns for their customers rather than ordering "standard" guns with the regular descriptions supplied by Sauer. Thirdly, I still believe it was made in the 1911/12 period and I base that on the serial number data I have in a rather large database. Regards, JIM

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