Mannlicher-Schoenauer Identification Help

[WindSurgeon]

I'm afraid you could spend a lot of time and money chasing barrels, if you can find one to chase, that probably aren't in very good condition. It's purely my opinion but I think I'd just have the barrel cut to the correct length and recrowned then use it as it. As much as I like my '03 in 6.5 X 54, there ain't no fly's on the 7 X 57.

I think you are right. Now I just need to find a smith that works on these rifles and is competent working on an old gun like this.

[sharps4590]

New England Custom Guns

[JDL]

WindSurgeon, Don't do anything to it if the magazine functions properly. I will certainly pay you what you have in it and take it off your hands if you are not satisfied with it. 7x57 is my favorite!

[WindSurgeon]

I've done a bit more research on the trigger. In that time frame, there was a factory original single trigger option that was popular in the UK as well as the US. Wasn't sure if it was original, but apparently is original.

[WindSurgeon]

WindSurgeon, Don't do anything to it if the magazine functions properly. I will certainly pay you what you have in it and take it off your hands if you are not satisfied with it. 7x57 is my favorite!

Thanks JD.

[Axel E]

I've done a bit more research on the trigger. In that time frame, there was a factory original single trigger option that was popular in the UK as well as the US. Wasn't sure if it was original, but apparently is original.

Sorry, no. The Mannlicher - Schoenauer pre-WW2 single trigger "English Pattern Sporting Rifles" had a different, more "military style" trigger guard. The shotgun style triggerguards as on your stutzen are peculiar to the factory double set trigger on pre-war rifles. Post – WW2 single triggers only came with the shotgun guards. Maybe someone installed such a postwar single trigger on your rifle in the 1950s.
Here is a photo of the single triggerguard on my M1910:

[WindSurgeon]

Sorry, no. The Mannlicher - Schoenauer pre-WW2 single trigger "English Pattern Sporting Rifles" had a different, more "military style" trigger guard. The shotgun style triggerguards as on your stutzen are peculiar to the factory double set trigger on pre-war rifles. Post – WW2 single triggers only came with the shotgun guards. Maybe someone installed such a postwar single trigger on your rifle in the 1950s.
Here is a photo of the single triggerguard on my M1910:

Could it have been one of the drop in trigger groups? Or is there a custom way to modify the double trigger into a single? Lots of these vintage ads out there.
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[Axel E]

Could it have been one of the drop in trigger groups? Or is there a custom way to modify the double trigger into a single?

Yes, those drawings from Shooter's Bible show the post – WW2 single trigger mechanism I mentioned. The drawings apparently come from a 1960s issue, as they show the flimsy tang "safety" introduced then. I have seen dozens of ways to convert double set triggers to single triggers, including my own. You will have to take your rifle apart and photograph both the parts mounted on the trigger plate and on the receiver to tell whether your trigger is a post-war replacement part or the work of an accomplished gunsmith.

[Axel E]

To get the trigger plate out, first remove the small wood screw in the lower tang. If the parts are prewar, the triggerguard is hooked into triggerplate at the front and will come off when pulled down. On post-WW2 rifles the front of the guard is screwed into the triggerplate. Lift it's rear tang out of the stock recess and quarter turn to the left. Now you can unscrew and remove the tang screw from below. After removing that screw, pry up the rear end of the trigger plate. it will come out easily, as it's front end is merely hooked into the magazine rear wall. Take a photo of plate with trigger. From such a photo I can tell if it is a factory made replacement or a custom conversion.

[WindSurgeon]

Been wanting to get the information you all asked for, but I can not get the action and barrel to come out. Any suggestions or an instruction manual?

[mike ford]

WindSurgeon,
Did you take the front sling loop off? Nose Cap?
Mike

[WindSurgeon]

WindSurgeon,
Did you take the front sling loop off? Nose Cap?
Mike

I took the sling loop and cross bolt off, removed the screw from the nose cap, but the cap does not come off. I am afraid to pry at it. Strange thing is that the action does not rise up at all from the stock with all the screws out. Wondering if they perhaps glued the action into the stock.

[mike ford]

WindSurgeon,
Hopefully, Axel will come in, MSs are not my "main thing". I'm guessing you have already turned the "floor plate" and removed the "spool".
Mike

[WindSurgeon]

WindSurgeon,
Hopefully, Axel will come in, MSs are not my "main thing". I'm guessing you have already turned the "floor plate" and removed the "spool".
Mike

Definitely did all of that. Also cleaned the action and parts with the stock on and oiled them. The gun looks better after cleaning and oiling.

[WindSurgeon]

Axel: Can't get the action to budge. All screws are out, can't remove the nose cap either. Replying to one of your messages so perhaps you will be emailed by the forum of the reply. Thanks.