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    Yes, there are more screws to remove: You will find one or two metal to metal screws on the underside of the action bar, in front of the triggerguard. Remove these too. Only now you should be able to remove action body and triggerplate from the stock.
    Many German break open stocks were ruined by GIs in 1945 who tried to remove the stocks by forcefully pulling them out to the back like on a Winchester repeater.
    BTW, a post-war GDR Simson looks exactly like a Merkel because both were the same then. Neither the Merkel nor the Simson companies existed any more. Both were “Socialised” and incorporated into the VEB Ernst Thaelmann Werke (named so for a communist "marthyr"). The ETW used the old respected names merely as brands for their products. As the Simson family in the USA still had the rights to their name, the ETW branded all their guns “Merkel” when destined for export to America. For export to other countries they branded all side by sides “Simson” and all over unders “Merkel”. The names did not matter: All those guns were made by the same men in the same factory.
    That “1st Quality” mark is not related to the individual gun. Those quality grades were assigned to products of all sorts, not only guns but optics and even pickled cucumbers. It merely said: These ETW model of gun is a high quality product, fit for the world market.

    No matter how I try, I am unable to post photos to the Nitro Express Forum. The above was Axel replying to my question about removing the butt stock on a Simson Shul combination gun. hopefully Axel will reply. Are these the 2 screws referred to above?
    Thanks Mike gun.jpg

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    Mike,
    When you remove these screws, buy some extra screwdrivers and grind/file them to fit each individual screw slot precisely and apply downward pressure to prevent them from backing out. If you have a drill press, you can pad the drill press vise and apply pressure against the screwdriver handle with the chuck (open it up to retract the jaws into the chuck body).
    Mike

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    • #3
      Mike
      Thanks for the advice. I feel comfortable disassembling falling blocks and bolt actions, but never tried anything like this, so I am a bit antsy. I don’t want to get myself in trouble.
      Mike

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      • #4
        Mike,
        There is not too much you can do to one that you or someone else can't straighten out. German combination guns are notorious for having very narrow screw slots. That is why I was adamant about regrinding/filing screwdriver blades to precisely fit the screws, and prevent them from coming out of the slots.
        Moke

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        • #5
          Do you see any other screws in front of the triggerguard? After removing the 4 srews, one through the tangs from below, one from the top under the opening lever and the two on the underside of the action bar, some light taps and a bit of wiggling should free the action body and the triggerplate so they can be removed from the stock. Remember, on these guns the stock is not attached to the action, but the action subassemblies body and triggerplate are assembled to the stock.

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          • #6
            Thanks Axel, I am too cautious at times.
            Mike

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